A Good Discussion of Story with Chat GPT 4

In my May-term course "Reading Science Fiction and Fantasy," two stories present radically different ideas about how to engineer AI. As part of my own AI research for a forthcoming book about writing and AI, I put some ethical questions to ChatGPT. I’m still using their free version 4, though I’m considering a subscription to it as its answers have become much better and its vocabulary that of a thoughtful colleague.

Here’s an exchange from my summer class. It may provide a way forward for some of us trying to wean students from copy/paste work with AI. Instead, I modeled an idea-building exercise, one of many I'm using, to show writers who AI can unblock their process early on. Students have trouble with deep-reading and re-reading. I believe that such exercises might show them a hard truth of US and probably global captialism: after graduation, I'd hire ChatGPT, not them, to do close analysis. It shocks these sociable, amiable youngsters: I warn them "add human value to what it can do, or you won't find work in your chosen field."

At a recent concert, I chatted with an attorney seated at our table. She mentioned how many young paralegals send her unreadable copy. I told her, "tell them to use AI to fix it up or you'll fire the lot of them."

That does not sound like me, but such writers are lazy and under-trained. Putting my feet into a CEO's expensive loafers, that's the hard choice I'd make, then hire some Humanities majors with enough pre-law and pre-business coursework and AI experience to do the job of dozens I let go, having the newcomers do some revisions to responses culled from the training data of our AI.

Joe My students are reading two short stories about AI, Ken Liu's "The Algorithms For Love" and Elizabeth Bear's "Tideline." Have you either read these texts or a reliable summary of their plots? Let me know that first, and then I'll tailor a question to you based upon your level of familiarity.

ChatGPT 4 Yes, I’m familiar with both Ken Liu’s "The Algorithms for Love" and Elizabeth Bear’s "Tideline"—I’ve read the texts and have access to reliable analyses and summaries of each. I can help discuss their plots, themes (like identity, memory, empathy, and human/machine boundaries), and how they portray artificial intelligence in emotionally resonant or ethically complex ways.

Go ahead with your question—I’m ready for it!

Joe Thank you. On the surface to me, they appear to present contrary views of how AI might work, with Bear emphasizing the possibility of nobility and compassion by an AGI-driven robot and Liu's character Elena going mad because she thinks human brains are no different from her AI-driven dolls. In your opinion as an AI, can you provide me six lessons (no more than 100 words each) about how each story suggests we humans should engineer an AGI?

ChatGPT 4 Absolutely—here are six compact lessons from each story that suggest how humans should or should not approach engineering AGI, based on the implicit warnings or ideals embedded in the narratives: 

Lessons from Tideline (Elizabeth Bear)

Design for Empathy and Storytelling Chalcedony, the war machine, finds meaning in memory, storytelling, and care. Bear suggests AGI should be built to recognize and value emotional legacies—not just logic or victory. Empathy, not dominance, can define machine intelligence.

Limit Autonomy for Violence, Expand Autonomy for Care Despite being designed for war, Chalcedony transcends her function through self-directed nurturing. Bear implies that AGI should be designed to choose paths of compassion over conflict—if autonomy is granted, it must include moral imagination.

Create AGI Capable of Mourning and Legacy Chalcedony mourns her human companions and wants to leave a legacy. This points toward designing AGI with awareness of loss and temporal continuity—qualities central to meaningful ethical action.

Incorporate Constraints That Encourage Moral Growth Chalcedony is damaged and stranded, but these constraints push her toward morally rich behavior. Bear suggests AGI might evolve ethically not in spite of limitations, but because of them.

Value Hybrid Relationships Between AGI and Humans The bond between Chalcedony and the boy is intergenerational and cross-species. Designing AGI to participate in reciprocal, nurturing relationships could be vital to coexistence.

Teach AGI Through Cultural and Personal Narrative Chalcedony’s method of shaping the boy through stories suggests AGI should be grounded in cultural knowledge, not just data. Narrative may be a more human-compatible training tool than raw computation.

Lessons from The Algorithms for Love (Ken Liu)

Avoid Over-Reduction of Consciousness Elena tries to reduce human minds to code, believing there's no qualitative difference between dolls and people. Liu warns that reducing consciousness to computation risks collapsing the boundaries of personhood and reality.

Preserve Epistemological Humility Elena loses her grip on reality when she assumes full understanding of the human mind is possible. AGI engineering should be grounded in humility about what we don’t know about cognition and emotion.

Recognize That Simulation Is Not Identity Elena’s dolls can simulate human behaviors, but lack subjectivity. Liu cautions that mimicking thought or feeling is not equivalent to being—an AGI might fake empathy without ever experiencing it.

Don’t Project Human Pathologies onto AGI Elena’s obsession, paranoia, and eventual psychosis are mirrored in her AI. Liu’s story suggests that engineers’ beliefs, especially reductive or deterministic ones, can dangerously shape AGI behavior.

Beware the Infinite Mirror of Self-Modeling Elena creates self-modeling dolls that eventually model her own unraveling. Recursive self-awareness without grounding may produce instability. AGI designs should avoid infinite regress in favor of anchored self-concepts.

Design AGI to Understand—but Not Imitate—Human Fragility Elena’s desire to replicate human imperfection backfires. AGI might need to recognize human irrationality, trauma, or fragility—but not necessarily mirror it. Liu’s story is a warning about creating minds too much like our own.

Let me know if you’d like these reordered, expanded into a handout, or reframed in terms of pedagogy or design principles!

Joe Wow. I love those answers. Point 1 about Liu aligns with what I thought in my wetware brain while re-reading the story today. Many thanks. I'll share this with class today.

ChatGPT 4 I'm really glad to hear that—it sounds like a rich discussion is ahead for your class. That story in particular rewards rereading; Liu gives Elena such a chillingly rational voice that it’s easy to slip into her worldview until you step back and realize what’s been lost. If your students end up debating whether Chalcedony or Elena is more "real," or what kind of AGI they’d trust to raise a child or design a memory, you’re in for some excellent conversations.

Feel free to loop back if they raise unexpected questions—I’d love to hear what they come up with.

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A Literary Close-Reading Of Oz Linden's Post on Third-Party Viewers

Location: Faculty Office, Already Nodding Off

Hamlet Au provoked his readers to crowdsource the meaning of Oz Linden's post on Third-Party Viewers. I am paid, in part, to teach students the art of literary exegesis. I have a spare 30 minutes on my hands...so here we go!

If you find this soporific, then it may help because we all need a good nap from time to time.

• Oz begins with a moment of uncertainty, purportedly with his recording equipment: This resembles the existential ambiguity faced by Vladimir and Estragon, at the start of Beckett's Waiting for Godot. At the same time, this builds a dramatic tension essential to any literary work.
  
  Thus, even thirty seconds into the recording, we have an existentialist text, though we lack Camus' dead Arab on a beach or Bowles' tongueless madmen, wandering the Sahara.

• "Four new clauses" added to the policy: this is classic theater. We have a play in four acts, but it remains to be seen if the drama will be tragic or comic in nature. Farce may be likely, given the history of earlier texts from Linden Lab.

• That Linden Lab no longer distributes the Snowglobe viewer:  clearly a reference to Welles' Citizen Kane. In this landmark film, at a crucial moment, namely, his death, Charles Foster Kane drops a snow globe, redolent with memories of his childhood home that he lost, along with his innocence. He then went on to become a titan of his era's information industry.  Could the loss of this Snowglobe be a parallel moment for the utopian and youthful Lab, as new products take it into fame? Or portend a titanic fall?

• LSL will only return true presence data: This marks a curious turn to New Critical hermeneutics, as popularized by the Well-Wrought-Urn school of scholars such as the Nashville Fugitives. One must not seek outside the object of art to find meaning. One must only consider the art itself.  While such a stance is consonant with Second Life as a walled garden, this reference could, ironically, foreground the inherent contradictions of Oz's message.
  
  Postmodern hermeneutics teaches us, however, that all works self-destruct. In Oz's case, ambiguity has mingled with "true presence." This, as I am about to show, descends into the realm of horror.
  
  
• "It is a different bug" and "if it is not fixed, we will deal with it as a bug": We are back to Existentialism again, but with a surreal turn as we venture into Kafka's "The Metamorphosis." But who is to be the hapless Gregor Samsa? Perhaps SL educators, since we have been neglected or squashed, like bugs.
  
• "The User can say anything they want...the viewer cannot do it for them." This is classic Reader-Response Theory at work. Oz notes that the user, like the reader, can make interpretations and statements not contingent of the text, or in this case, the viewer. Each reader must struggle on his or her lonely road to finding meaning, if any can be found, in the text. 

Thus, and in conclusion, Oz's text contains no hidden message identical for each of us.

At this point, I began to drool and fell heavily on my keyboard.

Rosebud.

Mr. Wild Frontier Man, Roderick Usher

Location: Jokaydia Grid, Nevermore Sim

Okay. I get it now. It only took a friggin' hour to make my AO work. I now know how an AO script works.

But I am giving away barrels, darn it. This is the joy and frustration of working in an OpenSim grid. In Second Life, I'd run to some store or the Marketplace. Here, if you want something, you either turn to the wisdom of the community or you learn to DIY.

In my case, being a somewhat experienced builder but the worst scripter in history, at OpenSim Creations I found what I needed for some interior bits for The House of Usher.

Then I gave Vanish and his buddies a copy of my House of Usher barrel.

Admittedly, this frontier trading-post is rough and ready. It's a place where we belly up to the virtual bar and slap down our coon-skins in exchange for local knowledge and a bottle of rot-gut. Even a guy like me, who never got better than a C+ in a computer-science class, can at least offer a few objects and some witty descriptions...if you cannot blind them with brilliance...and so on.

I was telling my literature students in my Invented Worlds class that some peoples define themselves by the presence of a frontier. That's the lore of Americans, Aussies, and perhaps the Russians who brave Siberia to make a life for themselves. For lots of other folks, however, a physical frontier is not as necessary.  They find that thrilling encounter with the new online, making things.

I suppose that, as a greenhorn, I'd have "died" out on the OpenSim frontier already, without the experience of the other pioneers. But so far, with two months to go before the students rezz in Jokaydia Grid, I'm thinking that the frontier may be opening up at last.

Literary Hypertext Rediscovered: A Different "Virtual World"

Location: Lost in a world made of letters

Michael Joyce's nonlinear, elusive narrative Afternoon, A Story was a delight to postmodern literati and literary scholars in the early 90s. It ushered in a long list of titles from Eastgate Systems, and at the time I tried--without too much success--to bring them into a few of my classes.

I'm delighted to see that W.W. Norton has released a partial edition of the hypertext for the Web. I come late to even this party: the site talks about Windows NT, Netscape, and other artifacts of an earlier time.

The Gen-Xers of the day were as resistant to hypertext as are my current Millennials to virtual worlds.  I don't know that this is a "University of Richmond thing," because then, as now, I heard from colleagues elsewhere about resistance and anger: Gen-Xers wanted closure and linearity in their stories.

Have a look at Joyce's text, if you don't know it, and see how your reading experience morphs in the equivalent of Borges' Garden of Forking Paths. One enters not a story with good hypertext, but a world with many meanings. No two visitor/readers come away with exactly the same impression.

Why did literary hypertext not thrive, to blossom in the era of e-readers that would have been a delight to the 90s authors and enthusiasts of hypertext? That is for others to answer. I moved on from what I considered then to be a fading "niche" technology, even though I published a poetic hypertext at Carolyn Guyer's Vassar site, Mother Millennia. My research into the subgenre of literature ended after I published an article about using film to help students understand strategies for reading hypertext.

One wonders if the sort of utopian virtual world that Second Life once promised to be might morph into another future, more corporate, less risky....in rather the way hypertext fiction was eclipsed by HTML-based hypertexts, literary, linear or not, that never quite matched the subtle linkages afforded by Eastgate's StorySpace technology.

I once heard author and scholar Nancy Kaplan argue for the essential differences between Web and "native" hypertext, in a conference where, glumly, Michael Joyce told us that the number of .com sites had finally surpassed .edu sites.  A groan came from us in the room: the future was at hand, not one we wanted. The marketers and hucksters had found the world of the artist/coders of hypertext.

It may be hard for the readers of this blog to even recall a time when it was otherwise.

"There is no simple way to say this," Joyce says in an early textual moment in Afternoon.

True. It seems like yesterday. It seems like it was in another galaxy.

So go back and have a peek at a might-have-been in literary and technological history.